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So the Ivans across the road – were you aware of the Italian history in this area?
Ray: Not then.
Carol: Not then, no I wasn’t aware of it then. Later. Yeah. But the Ivans were great mentors of self-sufficiency.
Ray: Yeah they were doing all sort of things.
Carol: They were killing pigs and they were making salami.
Ray: They had pheasants. Cheese and they made wine.
Carol: But we mainly learnt the cheese. Cheese was the thing we learnt from them.
Ray: Carol and, it was you and Subhana that went over wasn’t it?
Carol: I don’t know. I can’t remember.
Leigh: Were they milking their own cows?
Carol: They must have been.
Ray: Yeah I think so, yeah.
Leigh: Where did they live?
Ray: Just over where Ken Gillette is.
Leigh: That’s right, yeah. They actually had cows on that property.
Ray: You wouldn’t think so now would you?
Leigh: Ken had cattle up the top.
Ray: I think they only had maybe one or two house cows, I don’t think he had a herd of them or anything.
Carol: Cause they were only making cheese for their family.
Ray: Yeah they had a cellar there where they stored the cheese and some of the other – salami probably.
Leigh: Did they live in Ken Gillete’s place or….?
Ray: No, no they, ah they lived – it wasn’t Ken’s place it was …
Leigh: Casey’s place.
Carol: Caseys. Casey.
So did you walk over there and say ‘Hi, will you help us make cheese?’
Carol: I don’t know how. Do you remember how we came to meet them?
Ray: Well you would have met them before I came.
Carol: I don’t know. But there weren’t many other people – you know we were the first so-called ‘alternatives’.
Carol: There were some other people renting, but yeah, so people were fairly sort of friendly at the time. They felt sorry for us [chuckles].